Odmah da se razumemo aikido se ne važi. Mislim pre svega na udaračke sportove i mma. Kad nekome kažem da treniram muay thai i mma, svi me gledaju kao sirovinu i klošara, a zapravo, u mojoj grupi nije bilo nijednog takvog. Zapravo je to bila skupina neobično kul ljudi. Nije bilo nadrkanih, nije bilo nakurčenih, bili su samo normalni ljudi, počev od srednjoškolaca, studenata, zaposlenih, oženjenih normalnih ljudi. Svaki sparing je bio maksimalno fer i nije bilo namernih podlih udaraca. Naravno, na početku je bilo par majmuna, ali su brzo odustali, valjda im ne odgovara društvo nenakurčenih ljudi. Takvi su prešli na razne ruske sisteme koliko znam, a tamo se treninzi sastoje od toga da ti uvek dovedu lika jačeg od tebe da te bije, pa kad dostigneš njegov nivo, dovedu ti još jačeg, pa još jačeg, itd.
Šta mislite o ovome?
Мислим да је добар тај руски систем, ололо...
Znaš kako se Mirko Crocop priprema za rvanje i klinč? Ima nekog medvjeda, momak je plod ljubavi između tenka i traktora, i s njim se gura po ringu i hvata se u klinč. Samo se guraju, ništa drugo :D
EDIT: Mislim, pripremaO...
Samo ljudi koji nisu normalni uglavu mogu i treba da se bave borilačkom veštinom tog tipa. Pod "nisu normalni uglavu" ne mislim ništa loše, naprotiv. Volim takve tipove. Pod "bave borilačkom veštinom" mislim na tru treniranje, a ne na one koji upišu neki kurac kako bi mogli da pričaju šta treniraju, a nedugo zatim i šta su trenirali.
Taj ruski sistem se primenjuje svuda u svetu samo što je nama sve što ima prefiks "ruski" do jaja. Nije ni ruski ni bugarski, to je normalna stvar.
Naravno, obožavam da tjeram svoje pulene da rade sa većim ljudima od sebe. Isto tako, koliko god je bitno da radiš sa većim - bitno je da radiš i sa manjim od sebe. Tako se kristališe tehnika, ne možeš svima raditi isto. Bitan je taj raspon, što više različitih težinskih sparing partnera (i različitih po stilovima, ako je dostupno) to je bolje.
Borilačke veštine su jebene veštine i na njih tako i treba gledati. Poenta je da moraš i neku tehniku da imaš. Skoro sam gledao na Jutjubu Kristijana Golubovića u ringu i oplak'o sam. Jebote, dva međeda da su se tukla bila bi to tehnički mnogo bolja borba.
А зашто се не важи аикидо?
Zato što za njega ne važe stereotipi, a i trenirao sam realni aikido, po meni je najgej sport koji postoji.
Mada ne znam jesam li u pravu, ali kod nas se najčešće od treniranja pravi odličan biznis, to jest veliki broj tih klubova (pre svega govorim o ruskom sistemu i sličnim) ne radi na tome da te nauči nešto nego se radi na tome da ti plasiraju ono što se traži, što više makljaže. Ali svakako ima klubova gde se krene od jebenog osnova i gde se mnogo brže napreduje. Napominjem da nemam pojma kako se radi u drugim zemljama, neću da kažem da su loše veštine (sistemi) nego samo da se ovde loše radi.
Па... ево пола године кик бокса, и могу да кажем да сам само најбоље људе упознао тамо на тренингу, друштвени људи, нормални, не знам одакле ти стереотипи уопште
Nije fer što si izbacio aikido. Eto da znaš da sam revoltirana!
- Па... ево пола године кик бокса, и могу да кажем да сам само најбоље људе упознао тамо на тренингу, друштвени људи, нормални, не знам одакле ти стереотипи уопште
Pa upravo. Ali stereotipi postoje.
- Nije fer što si izbacio aikido. Eto da znaš da sam revoltirana!
Nema stereotipa za aikidiste. :)
Знам девојку има двадесетак година, тренира бокс десетак година, осваја неке медаље, иде на такмичења. Има можда шездес кила, перфектна грађа, поломила би ми пичку да се побијемо, а ја преко деведесет имам. Кад поменусте Кро Копа, и она има левицу, да супишаш. Никада ништа тренирао нисам, само билдао неко време, али имам доста јарана који тренирају карате, одлични момци. Стереотипа увек има, шта ћеш, такви смо, чим чујеш да неко тренира неки борилачки спорт, у глави туке, врзма се мисао, шта ће сировина, сигурно хоће да се бије и сл.
Treniram 3 puta nedeljno u elitnoj gimnaziji, odnosno zadužbini pod pokroviteljstvom grada i zaštićenoj od strane unesko. Pored našeg malog kluba i malih matematičara razbijača, unutar zgrade je ruski hor, društvo rusko srpskog prijateljstva i čini mi se škola esperanta. Unutar kluba imamo magistra, par inžinjera, par srednjoškolaca, par milicajaca i studenti. Svima je podjednako neprijatno da šetaju okolo modrice na glavi.
Ja lično znam da su nabadanje i bacanje jedna velika škola, a ja sam rođeni učenik. I tako mogu dok me noge budu nosile da učim kako da se borim golim rukama. Osim toga, Tesla i Pupin su se bavili boksom. Velika većina Američkih precednika su se bavili boksom (tada se vala zvalo pesničenje). Gomile glumaca, balerina i baletana vise po tekvondo i kikboks klubovima.
Ja trenirala davno karate, bilo je kul dok je trajalo, imala zeleni pojas bla bla. Ne bih se opet vraćala na to i nikada nisam bila sigurna da li bih mogla nekog da udarim iz sve snage ako me stvarno napadne, jer nikada na treninzima nismo imali full kontakt. Mada ako bih opet morala da treniram neki borilačku sport, onda ne bih eksperimentisala, opet bih isti.
Stereotipe stvaraju novine:
"Kikbokser ispred kluba šamarao svoju devojku i njnog najboljeg druga" - ovo znači da je lik koji diluje drogu, u pandurskom dosijeju "kikbokser98" i koji je 98 pola godine trenirao kikboks, zaradio slomljen nos i naučio kako da udari nekog nogom u glavu, zadlanio svoju kujetinu pred svedocima, posle čega je ona pozvala miliciju i vrištala da svima prekine zabavu te večeri. Ovaj najbolji dug je verovatno dobio šut u guzicu pokušavajući da plače jer se zateko na mestu vrištanja. Izjavu za novine je skrojio neko ko je imao uvid u loše skraćen dosije."Bivši bokser ima problem sa alkoholom" - 4 nedelje se nije ništa desilo u senti i dopisniku preti noga. Spasonosno neko je dobio sina prvenca i pozvao lokalnog trenera da mu bude kum, usled cega je ovaj pola novog auta gurnuo u muzicki instrument, o cemu bruji cela Senta. Zaključak novinara : propio se.
"Ultrafajter maltretirao goste lokala" - BJJ lokalni profesionalac, se izdržava tako što obezbeđuje vikendom lokale u kojima DJ pušta najnovije hitove turbo folka. Čovek drži poprilično stvari u glavi i zvog toga nije godinama popio ni malo pivo. Ipak to veče nije prepoznao nekog klinca od 17 godina koji se dovezao kajenom do lokala i naručio francuski šampanjac za 14 godišnje separeuše i posle toga pokušao da sambuje, izboksuje, izmačuje, izkataniše, izbode, upuca iz poluautmatskog i automatskog oružja obezbeđenje lokala koje ga je upozorilo da sečenje kožnog tapacirunga separea komadom razbijene WC šolje nije bezbedno, jer je već posekao oskudnu garderobu jedne od svojih drugarica. Pošto je isti bio u društvu 15 drugova iz razreda, od kojih je svaki poneo svoju sretnu štanglu, u svojm 10 konačnom pokušaju da vrati pravdu u nepomenuti lokal dobio prednji levi direkt usled kojeg je u padu uspeo da iscepa svoju omiljenuj košulju, on vadi svoj mobilni telefon i uz pretnju : " VIdećete vi ko je bezimeni ja. Zapamtićete ovu neku jesenju subotu." probudi Nenada Čanka, koji onda nazove gradonačelnika i zapreti mu da će srušiti gradsku vladu. Onda se pojavi milicija, koju su zvali 5 puta da inteveniše i piše masnu prijavu, a ovoga od 17 godina zove lično precednik prvoligaškog odbojkaškog kluba, da ga upiše u kadete, kako bi ovaj u sutrašnjem izdanju novina mogao biti osloveljen kao član mlade odbojkaške reprezentacije. Stipendija srazmerna potrošnji kajena.
I tako popizdim svaki put kad a čitam novine. A o lokalnim kupovima i profesinalnim borbama ništa, i borcima koji brane boje države, nikada ništa da napišu. Sramota.
Ja ni ovoliku defku ne bih citala.
Donekle si i u pravu, mada znam masu ljaljana koji upišu kik boks da bi se lakše tukli po ulici. A dok prođe vremena da se pročuje do trenera pa ga ovaj i izbaci napolje - nastalo je sranje.
Jebiga, seljakluk ne bira.
ljudi koji treniraju botrilacke vestine nisu ljudi...
oni su ljudovi i budu po dva metra i kao nindze su takoreci..i ja ih prosto obozavam...
toliko
Свршавам у пози машингери ОПААААА
ИМАО САМ ЖУТИ ПОЈАС
imao sam crni pojas...
dok sam vozio motor, duva brate moraju da se cuvaju bubrezi...
eh da mi ja sad moja Java..a svi su mi se smejali...
Eeee, kako su Smarko i Reme nekad trolovali mislim da je ova tema najbolji primer toga.
Eeee, kako su Smarko i Reme nekad trolovali mislim da je ova tema najbolji primer toga.ja sam pao sa kreveta od smejanja
Eno ti se neko posro po sred kafane
- Eno ti se neko posro po sred kafane
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Password: d6nbu9tnan
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133192861
Password: 573fmv9t9e
Expiry Date: 30.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280939
Password: vxpj5ufjdt
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280972
Password: xf3fxn5dap
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280996
Password: 8t48m8tj7c
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134656138
Password: 7rcx5hn638
Expiry Date: 16.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134743979
Password: rh9f8sn3af
Expiry Date: 17.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0135744017
Password: ff95ftxaf7
Expiry Date: 28.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136000202
Password: 45hk3ec5f7
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136003798
Password: v3e4e2aea5
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136087241
Password: pxpa22stes
Expiry Date: 30.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136160604
Password: vxebnmn4hm
Expiry Date: 01.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472797
Password: a2vn8v7e6c
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472846
Password: 9a8f4kem5k
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136521437
Password: fxksxeaube
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136606234
Password: 3u283ujke6
Expiry Date: 06.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136681523
Password: pkscu2cvdf
Expiry Date: 07.07.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124976702
Password: fdcsnd2jx5
Expiry Date: 07.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125049351
Password: xnccmctksa
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125082939
Password: r35p6t92s4
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125117033
Password: nuvdjrtcpd
Expiry Date: 09.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125167474
Password: 3c555jnfbt
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201944
Password: c7jka2454s
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201945
Password: 77jm38b69c
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125240241
Password: bd7sa3anp2
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125272504
Password: rv7v7rtaf5
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125276584
Password: 29u89hscfn
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125304221
Password: 4esjp3e922
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124910184
Password: 4s5skp25s8
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125314968
Password: k4kkkdpksb
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420350
Password: r9j92k7ua7
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420351
Password: 7dkrfda6u4
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125510021
Password: 38pcaft6x5
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125516124
Password: evhk3f5x5n
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125532522
Password: 9bs5r7eeha
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125534732
Password: 43rb45mtcd
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125544582
Password: k7hb2252ku
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0126748129
Password: hb882k5n8n
Expiry Date: 29.11.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134223384
Password: e95fjua32x
Expiry Date: 13.03.2016ESS Username: EAV-0134840148
Password: r8jkv5eneu
Expiry Date: 20.03.2016Nisu ispravni.
Rejven, ne seri. mogu li ovi kodovi i protiv onog ciklona?
mogu, poz
- SMakaronac
evo ti rejven kodove za nod32
tad si sigurna od skočka, ja evo 3 godina nemam problema sa njim
ESS Username: EAV-0132572045
Password: b6eud7s5x7
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015
ESS Username: EAV-0132572059
Password: rvd2sdppub
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132572087
Password: 56kfpc423a
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132572113
Password: 38aa5d6u7r
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132591663
Password: hshfu874m3
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631796
Password: 9kfr5vkj2v
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631797
Password: 757s2ek3uf
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631806
Password: mbx7h7d57t
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631807
Password: pae4bfm3ke
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132644145
Password: bhkamh2nc2
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645068
Password: 62prx4c8v7
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645086
Password: v2r3h629mm
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645813
Password: 6d3dh6r89c
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132657146
Password: 7hnsu8nx6x
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132704038
Password: ahr84mxadb
Expiry Date: 23.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0131958373
Password: vh5tdbf2e3
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776343
Password: tadumdh8vj
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776349
Password: uct9jmr5hd
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776350
Password: 4t3mh3xatm
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776370
Password: h4daksnxsp
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132926546
Password: 9tffaec2sx
Expiry Date: 25.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939300
Password: 35usv5vr94
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939320
Password: mta59937m5
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939375
Password: x3b3c3van8
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939376
Password: exdbha79ej
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939393
Password: 3cs9tdkhxp
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939394
Password: nbjv2h4d66
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133007711
Password: t9x3xrbbkd
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133007730
Password: 8tun7af3ac
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133014782
Password: b93av8fax3
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133014815
Password: k285n4sukb
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133015043
Password: su38k7hpf9
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133024823
Password: 8b6pc8m3pm
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027088
Password: ae7der3ckm
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027089
Password: arcfx9c69r
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027194
Password: 5jrfr4ntkv
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133072663
Password: 3peeje53m6
Expiry Date: 28.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122662
Password: 5vxv3nujtr
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122680
Password: m252f4teua
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122707
Password: 96n43vjbcu
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122731
Password: bftp2fvuar
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122751
Password: d6nbu9tnan
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133192861
Password: 573fmv9t9e
Expiry Date: 30.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280939
Password: vxpj5ufjdt
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280972
Password: xf3fxn5dap
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280996
Password: 8t48m8tj7c
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134656138
Password: 7rcx5hn638
Expiry Date: 16.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134743979
Password: rh9f8sn3af
Expiry Date: 17.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0135744017
Password: ff95ftxaf7
Expiry Date: 28.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136000202
Password: 45hk3ec5f7
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136003798
Password: v3e4e2aea5
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136087241
Password: pxpa22stes
Expiry Date: 30.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136160604
Password: vxebnmn4hm
Expiry Date: 01.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472797
Password: a2vn8v7e6c
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472846
Password: 9a8f4kem5k
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136521437
Password: fxksxeaube
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136606234
Password: 3u283ujke6
Expiry Date: 06.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136681523
Password: pkscu2cvdf
Expiry Date: 07.07.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124976702
Password: fdcsnd2jx5
Expiry Date: 07.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125049351
Password: xnccmctksa
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125082939
Password: r35p6t92s4
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125117033
Password: nuvdjrtcpd
Expiry Date: 09.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125167474
Password: 3c555jnfbt
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201944
Password: c7jka2454s
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201945
Password: 77jm38b69c
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125240241
Password: bd7sa3anp2
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125272504
Password: rv7v7rtaf5
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125276584
Password: 29u89hscfn
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125304221
Password: 4esjp3e922
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124910184
Password: 4s5skp25s8
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125314968
Password: k4kkkdpksb
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420350
Password: r9j92k7ua7
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420351
Password: 7dkrfda6u4
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125510021
Password: 38pcaft6x5
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125516124
Password: evhk3f5x5n
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125532522
Password: 9bs5r7eeha
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125534732
Password: 43rb45mtcd
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125544582
Password: k7hb2252ku
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0126748129
Password: hb882k5n8n
Expiry Date: 29.11.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134223384
Password: e95fjua32x
Expiry Date: 13.03.2016ESS Username: EAV-0134840148
Password: r8jkv5eneu
Expiry Date: 20.03.2016Odlicni kodovi druze.
Makaronac
evo ti rejven kodove za nod32
tad si sigurna od skočka, ja evo 3 godina nemam problema sa njim
ESS Username: EAV-0132572045
Password: b6eud7s5x7
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015
ESS Username: EAV-0132572059
Password: rvd2sdppub
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015
ESS Username: EAV-0132572087
Password: 56kfpc423a
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132572113
Password: 38aa5d6u7r
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132591663
Password: hshfu874m3
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631796
Password: 9kfr5vkj2v
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631797
Password: 757s2ek3uf
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631806
Password: mbx7h7d57t
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631807
Password: pae4bfm3ke
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132644145
Password: bhkamh2nc2
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645068
Password: 62prx4c8v7
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645086
Password: v2r3h629mm
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645813
Password: 6d3dh6r89c
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132657146
Password: 7hnsu8nx6x
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132704038
Password: ahr84mxadb
Expiry Date: 23.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0131958373
Password: vh5tdbf2e3
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776343
Password: tadumdh8vj
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776349
Password: uct9jmr5hd
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776350
Password: 4t3mh3xatm
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776370
Password: h4daksnxsp
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132926546
Password: 9tffaec2sx
Expiry Date: 25.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939300
Password: 35usv5vr94
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939320
Password: mta59937m5
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939375
Password: x3b3c3van8
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939376
Password: exdbha79ej
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939393
Password: 3cs9tdkhxp
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939394
Password: nbjv2h4d66
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133007711
Password: t9x3xrbbkd
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133007730
Password: 8tun7af3ac
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133014782
Password: b93av8fax3
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133014815
Password: k285n4sukb
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133015043
Password: su38k7hpf9
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133024823
Password: 8b6pc8m3pm
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027088
Password: ae7der3ckm
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027089
Password: arcfx9c69r
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027194
Password: 5jrfr4ntkv
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133072663
Password: 3peeje53m6
Expiry Date: 28.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122662
Password: 5vxv3nujtr
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122680
Password: m252f4teua
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122707
Password: 96n43vjbcu
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122731
Password: bftp2fvuar
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122751
Password: d6nbu9tnan
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133192861
Password: 573fmv9t9e
Expiry Date: 30.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280939
Password: vxpj5ufjdt
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280972
Password: xf3fxn5dap
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280996
Password: 8t48m8tj7c
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134656138
Password: 7rcx5hn638
Expiry Date: 16.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134743979
Password: rh9f8sn3af
Expiry Date: 17.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0135744017
Password: ff95ftxaf7
Expiry Date: 28.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136000202
Password: 45hk3ec5f7
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136003798
Password: v3e4e2aea5
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136087241
Password: pxpa22stes
Expiry Date: 30.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136160604
Password: vxebnmn4hm
Expiry Date: 01.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472797
Password: a2vn8v7e6c
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472846
Password: 9a8f4kem5k
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136521437
Password: fxksxeaube
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136606234
Password: 3u283ujke6
Expiry Date: 06.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136681523
Password: pkscu2cvdf
Expiry Date: 07.07.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124976702
Password: fdcsnd2jx5
Expiry Date: 07.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125049351
Password: xnccmctksa
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125082939
Password: r35p6t92s4
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125117033
Password: nuvdjrtcpd
Expiry Date: 09.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125167474
Password: 3c555jnfbt
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201944
Password: c7jka2454s
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201945
Password: 77jm38b69c
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125240241
Password: bd7sa3anp2
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125272504
Password: rv7v7rtaf5
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125276584
Password: 29u89hscfn
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125304221
Password: 4esjp3e922
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124910184
Password: 4s5skp25s8
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125314968
Password: k4kkkdpksb
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420350
Password: r9j92k7ua7
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420351
Password: 7dkrfda6u4
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125510021
Password: 38pcaft6x5
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125516124
Password: evhk3f5x5n
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125532522
Password: 9bs5r7eeha
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125534732
Password: 43rb45mtcd
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125544582
Password: k7hb2252ku
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0126748129
Password: hb882k5n8n
Expiry Date: 29.11.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134223384
Password: e95fjua32x
Expiry Date: 13.03.2016ESS Username: EAV-0134840148
Password: r8jkv5eneu
Expiry Date: 20.03.2016Али пише да истичу следеће године у марту, Скочко ће стрпљиво да сачека, а и Циклон ми делује упоран.
Makaronac
evo ti rejven kodove za nod32
tad si sigurna od skočka, ja evo 3 godina nemam problema sa njim
ESS Username: EAV-0132572045
Password: b6eud7s5x7
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015
ESS Username: EAV-0132572059
Password: rvd2sdppub
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132572087
Password: 56kfpc423a
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132572113
Password: 38aa5d6u7r
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132591663
Password: hshfu874m3
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631796
Password: 9kfr5vkj2v
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631797
Password: 757s2ek3uf
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631806
Password: mbx7h7d57t
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631807
Password: pae4bfm3ke
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132644145
Password: bhkamh2nc2
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645068
Password: 62prx4c8v7
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645086
Password: v2r3h629mm
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645813
Password: 6d3dh6r89c
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132657146
Password: 7hnsu8nx6x
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132704038
Password: ahr84mxadb
Expiry Date: 23.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0131958373
Password: vh5tdbf2e3
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776343
Password: tadumdh8vj
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776349
Password: uct9jmr5hd
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776350
Password: 4t3mh3xatm
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776370
Password: h4daksnxsp
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132926546
Password: 9tffaec2sx
Expiry Date: 25.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939300
Password: 35usv5vr94
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939320
Password: mta59937m5
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939375
Password: x3b3c3van8
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939376
Password: exdbha79ej
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939393
Password: 3cs9tdkhxp
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939394
Password: nbjv2h4d66
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133007711
Password: t9x3xrbbkd
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133007730
Password: 8tun7af3ac
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133014782
Password: b93av8fax3
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133014815
Password: k285n4sukb
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133015043
Password: su38k7hpf9
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133024823
Password: 8b6pc8m3pm
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027088
Password: ae7der3ckm
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027089
Password: arcfx9c69r
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027194
Password: 5jrfr4ntkv
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133072663
Password: 3peeje53m6
Expiry Date: 28.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122662
Password: 5vxv3nujtr
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122680
Password: m252f4teua
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122707
Password: 96n43vjbcu
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122731
Password: bftp2fvuar
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122751
Password: d6nbu9tnan
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133192861
Password: 573fmv9t9e
Expiry Date: 30.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280939
Password: vxpj5ufjdt
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280972
Password: xf3fxn5dap
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280996
Password: 8t48m8tj7c
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134656138
Password: 7rcx5hn638
Expiry Date: 16.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134743979
Password: rh9f8sn3af
Expiry Date: 17.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0135744017
Password: ff95ftxaf7
Expiry Date: 28.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136000202
Password: 45hk3ec5f7
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136003798
Password: v3e4e2aea5
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136087241
Password: pxpa22stes
Expiry Date: 30.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136160604
Password: vxebnmn4hm
Expiry Date: 01.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472797
Password: a2vn8v7e6c
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472846
Password: 9a8f4kem5k
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136521437
Password: fxksxeaube
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136606234
Password: 3u283ujke6
Expiry Date: 06.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136681523
Password: pkscu2cvdf
Expiry Date: 07.07.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124976702
Password: fdcsnd2jx5
Expiry Date: 07.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125049351
Password: xnccmctksa
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125082939
Password: r35p6t92s4
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125117033
Password: nuvdjrtcpd
Expiry Date: 09.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125167474
Password: 3c555jnfbt
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201944
Password: c7jka2454s
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201945
Password: 77jm38b69c
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125240241
Password: bd7sa3anp2
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125272504
Password: rv7v7rtaf5
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125276584
Password: 29u89hscfn
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125304221
Password: 4esjp3e922
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124910184
Password: 4s5skp25s8
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125314968
Password: k4kkkdpksb
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420350
Password: r9j92k7ua7
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420351
Password: 7dkrfda6u4
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125510021
Password: 38pcaft6x5
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125516124
Password: evhk3f5x5n
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125532522
Password: 9bs5r7eeha
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125534732
Password: 43rb45mtcd
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125544582
Password: k7hb2252ku
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0126748129
Password: hb882k5n8n
Expiry Date: 29.11.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134223384
Password: e95fjua32x
Expiry Date: 13.03.2016ESS Username: EAV-0134840148
Password: r8jkv5eneu
Expiry Date: 20.03.2016Makaronac
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tad si sigurna od skočka, ja evo 3 godina nemam problema sa njim
ESS Username: EAV-0132572045
Password: b6eud7s5x7
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015
ESS Username: EAV-0132572059
Password: rvd2sdppub
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132572087
Password: 56kfpc423a
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132572113
Password: 38aa5d6u7r
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132591663
Password: hshfu874m3
Expiry Date: 21.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631796
Password: 9kfr5vkj2v
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631797
Password: 757s2ek3uf
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631806
Password: mbx7h7d57t
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132631807
Password: pae4bfm3ke
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132644145
Password: bhkamh2nc2
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645068
Password: 62prx4c8v7
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645086
Password: v2r3h629mm
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132645813
Password: 6d3dh6r89c
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132657146
Password: 7hnsu8nx6x
Expiry Date: 22.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132704038
Password: ahr84mxadb
Expiry Date: 23.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0131958373
Password: vh5tdbf2e3
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776343
Password: tadumdh8vj
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776349
Password: uct9jmr5hd
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776350
Password: 4t3mh3xatm
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132776370
Password: h4daksnxsp
Expiry Date: 24.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132926546
Password: 9tffaec2sx
Expiry Date: 25.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939300
Password: 35usv5vr94
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939320
Password: mta59937m5
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939375
Password: x3b3c3van8
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939376
Password: exdbha79ej
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939393
Password: 3cs9tdkhxp
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0132939394
Password: nbjv2h4d66
Expiry Date: 26.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133007711
Password: t9x3xrbbkd
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133007730
Password: 8tun7af3ac
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133014782
Password: b93av8fax3
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133014815
Password: k285n4sukb
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133015043
Password: su38k7hpf9
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133024823
Password: 8b6pc8m3pm
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027088
Password: ae7der3ckm
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027089
Password: arcfx9c69r
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133027194
Password: 5jrfr4ntkv
Expiry Date: 27.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133072663
Password: 3peeje53m6
Expiry Date: 28.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122662
Password: 5vxv3nujtr
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122680
Password: m252f4teua
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122707
Password: 96n43vjbcu
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122731
Password: bftp2fvuar
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133122751
Password: d6nbu9tnan
Expiry Date: 29.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133192861
Password: 573fmv9t9e
Expiry Date: 30.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280939
Password: vxpj5ufjdt
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280972
Password: xf3fxn5dap
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0133280996
Password: 8t48m8tj7c
Expiry Date: 31.05.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134656138
Password: 7rcx5hn638
Expiry Date: 16.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134743979
Password: rh9f8sn3af
Expiry Date: 17.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0135744017
Password: ff95ftxaf7
Expiry Date: 28.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136000202
Password: 45hk3ec5f7
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136003798
Password: v3e4e2aea5
Expiry Date: 29.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136087241
Password: pxpa22stes
Expiry Date: 30.06.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136160604
Password: vxebnmn4hm
Expiry Date: 01.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472797
Password: a2vn8v7e6c
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136472846
Password: 9a8f4kem5k
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136521437
Password: fxksxeaube
Expiry Date: 05.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136606234
Password: 3u283ujke6
Expiry Date: 06.07.2015ESS Username: EAV-0136681523
Password: pkscu2cvdf
Expiry Date: 07.07.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124976702
Password: fdcsnd2jx5
Expiry Date: 07.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125049351
Password: xnccmctksa
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125082939
Password: r35p6t92s4
Expiry Date: 08.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125117033
Password: nuvdjrtcpd
Expiry Date: 09.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125167474
Password: 3c555jnfbt
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201944
Password: c7jka2454s
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125201945
Password: 77jm38b69c
Expiry Date: 10.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125240241
Password: bd7sa3anp2
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125272504
Password: rv7v7rtaf5
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125276584
Password: 29u89hscfn
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125304221
Password: 4esjp3e922
Expiry Date: 11.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0124910184
Password: 4s5skp25s8
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125314968
Password: k4kkkdpksb
Expiry Date: 12.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420350
Password: r9j92k7ua7
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125420351
Password: 7dkrfda6u4
Expiry Date: 13.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125510021
Password: 38pcaft6x5
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125516124
Password: evhk3f5x5n
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125532522
Password: 9bs5r7eeha
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125534732
Password: 43rb45mtcd
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0125544582
Password: k7hb2252ku
Expiry Date: 20.11.2015EAV Username: EAV-0126748129
Password: hb882k5n8n
Expiry Date: 29.11.2015ESS Username: EAV-0134223384
Password: e95fjua32x
Expiry Date: 13.03.2016ESS Username: EAV-0134840148
Password: r8jkv5eneu
Expiry Date: 20.03.2016Ja, dobrih kodova majko božija
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